Shimanos overarching advice is for consumers to only use Shimano-approved pedal cranks on its EP8 motors. As to how the de-tuned EP8 motor performs? While the EP8s performance on the climbs is generally excellent, we have occasionally wished for a little more overrun for clearing technical features. The noise is easily demonstrated if you pick the back wheel up a few inches off the ground and let it come back down. For a mechanic, mechanical noise is a no-no by the end of the ride Id be destroyed mentally! Still, that clutch design means it is impressively drag-free beyond the cutoff point. The clicking sound has no effect on the function or durability of the drive unit. According to the TSB, only Shimanos EP8 motor is affected. The new EP8 drive unit provides incredibly quiet assistance under pedal load. If youve experienced a Shimano EP8 bottom bracket spindle failure, let us know in the comments below. Absolutely. One of the more intriguing aspects of EP8 is the ability to fine-tune the motors performance via Shimanos E-Tube Project app. There are 5 levels of adjustment from Mild to Quick, with the highest setting requiring only a small rotation with light pedal force to engage the motor. It even surpasses them in terms of noise (very quiet under load) and weight. Once again still want to know; is the BB replaceable on these units yet, or are they still landfill waiting to happen? Wait, 23-27kms? I think we lost grit when we all got smart phones. Once paired, find the Customise menu and select Assist. If speed and maximum power output is less of a concern though, switching into the factory Eco mode is a sure-fire way to get more ride time expect range to double from those figures above. So when the new version is so much better Refinement is all relative. "but since I have to hit the small button repeatedly when my battery charge becomes critical on some rides". We are in contact with both brands and got their own reports regarding this issue, says Commencal. Their heckler had complete battery failure, the ship date for a new one is close to the motor ship date. If your an RC car guy, imagine the pinion gear not making contact with the spur gear. According to e*thirteen, the safety inspection is relevant to all EP8 owners, regardless of what cranks are fitted. No, not at all. Posted Oct 21, 2020. Alex Evans is BikeRadars senior mountain bike technical editor. if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do, we charge it up to 11. Furthermore, having the battery life displayed as five bars is positively rudimentary. Our advice is not to rely on the range estimation in the first place. Yes, we understand how and why spindle breakage may occur when some non-Shimano cranks are used with our DU-EP800 drive unit. Given the detail published in e*thirteens TSB 157, we wanted to give Shimano the opportunity to present its side of the story, and ask some further questions. My brain constantly struggles with whether 2 bars remaining means I have 21% or 59%I would prefer a continuous power bar or percent. While some frames will resonate more than others, the noise is otherwise normal, and it doesnt take long before your brain subconsciously ignores it. On my e8000, my impression was (now on a Trek Rail w a Bosch gen 4) that if you were at two bars, you were really at one, and if you were at one, youd better be a couple of blocks from home. I don't know anyone that likes a bike that rattles in any way or form. Oh, how the humorous aspect of your comment has been missed. Over the past six months of riding, the Shimano EP8 motor has really impressed us with just how much punch it delivers from such a lightweight and compact package. At my age 69, if it isn't fun, exciting, and challenging, count me out! Specializeds Mission Control app continues to be the market leader in terms of connectivity, tuning options and user-friendliness. You can hear it in the workshop just by lifting the rear wheel and dropping it on the ground, where it sounds a bit like a loose pebble bouncing around inside a wooden box. Hes one of BikeRadars lead testers and knows how to push bikes and products to the limit, searching out the equipment that represents the best value for money. I'm honestly flabbergasted that people complain about it tbh lol. Along with the EP8s magnesium casting, heat sinks and polished logos, it affords a classy look not an easy feat for an e-MTB. In a closed Facebook group called Shimano EP8 Owners, there are also reports of EP8 spindle failures. One note on range Shimanos range estimation is not reliable. Display integration is still the best on the market, even if it only shows five bars of battery level and could easily integrate some more user-friendly features. However, all are fitted with Shimano cranks. I have a gen 3 and it's totally quiet when coasting . There are 10 levels of adjustment, from Eco to Powerful. According to Shimano, design differences between Shimano and non-Shimano cranks cause the axle to crack and eventually fail. It is a feature bro, the sound of pure class. That rattling feeling comes from one way bearing. When we see failures like this, it is incumbent on us to find the root cause and, if it is within our control, provide a resolution, reads e*thirteens statement. Please, It appears you're using an old version of Internet Explorer which is, the 471.5mm rear centre on the Giant Trance X E+, that achieves the most discreet integration, the MasterMind TCU display on the new Specialized Levo. My Bullit died after 80 miles - same symptoms you describe. I can concur with the range, it's not as good as I expected. Truly unfortunate you lost it. It is MUCH less powerful, but there is no rattle, no weird cut off, no jerky pedal action. While midly annoying, it only takes a couple button presses to get back to get an 800% stabbing strength increase! Repair and maintenance of Bosch, Shimano, Yamaha and Brose eBike motors Repair and maintenance of eBike motors from the following manufacturers: Bosch Active Line, Bosch Active Line Plus, Bosch Cargo Line, Bosch Performance Line and Bosch Performance Line CX For more details on the full range of Bosch motors click here only one port which needs to be connected directly to the motor. On top of that, you cant tune the Bosch motor like you can with EP8 theres no fancy app, and the stock assist settings arent adjustable what you see is what you get. This data covers comprehensive third party metallurgical analysis in addition to results from a rigorous test battery of corrosion testing combined with ISO Fatigue. Take note of how much elevation you achieve during those rides (elevation is more important than distance when determining range), and keep that number in mind when youre planning future all-day epics. The way the 2.2 motor smooths out un-smooth rider input is very impressive, giving it the most natural feel on the trail of any full-power motor weve tested. While the motor is both more sensitive and more powerful though, Shimano has done brilliantly to offer usable control of that power. The investigation has led e*thirteen to produce technical service bulletin 157 (TSB), published on its website on 14 October 2021. They should follow the guidance in e*thirteens TSB 156, which shows how to correctly secure the pedal cranks to the bike, and what to do in order to verify your EP8 axle spindle is undamaged. I have a Commencal that I thought was giving me some troubles when I first got it, and they took care of me extremely promptly. 1. Does Shimano know why the spindles are snapping? Visit the high-res gallery for more images from this review. There are a lot of factors that influence range including rider weight, tyre choice, trail conditions, and elevation. Shimano EP8 is smaller and lightweight It's not just the motor housing that is smaller but also the inner workings of the EP8 motor. This gives a very wide and flexible power band that does well to match what your legs are doing, making this the go-to, set-and-forget mode for proper off-roading. Then theres the BT-8035-L battery, which is a 504Wh battery that shares the same physical dimensions as the 630Wh version. Save 30% + G-Form Pro X3 Knee Pads when you subscribe to MBUK magazine. But to give you some numbers, weve consistently achieved around 1,500m of climbing during our 30-50km test rides. And you're clearly not pedaling, just pure flow. If thats the case for you, start at Level 5 and work your way down a notch at a time. - Tuning options are simple and effective When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Where the EP8 motorisnt quieter than its predecessor however, is when youre not pedalling. Reading between the lines, we suspect the misinterpretation e*thirteen is referring to is regarding the EP8 bottom bracket axle spindle failure noted in TSB 157. Shimano has put its long-running Steps E8000 format to pastor and heralds in its EP8 motor unit for 2021. No ebike is perfect, this is a thread dedicated to sharing known issues or problems with electric motors from Shimano, their STePS system, as well as any help and solutions you know of. So, when the sensor senses a negative elevation gain, the dynamo kicks in to recharge the battery. SpecializEd # levo SL is a great benchmark Have had a Specialized Levo & sold it due to making weird noises, so yes other manufacturers have problems too, not saying that is easy to get good reliability with new technology, but my Shimano e-8000 motor has been more reliable even is very wet weather! Not the first time Shimano has screwed the pooch with recent launches. So despite being an engineer the non-linear noisy nature of the reporting makes it very difficult to plan rides and I almost always finish the last few km without assistance for bigger rides. I've never heard the rattling noise that has been posted in the early reviews - the motor is super quiet, so it looks to me like much ado about nothing. Can I give 100 upvotes please? Shimanos answers to our questions are published below verbatim. Shimano has received 49 reported cases of the drive unit spindle breakage when assembled with non-Shimano cranks as of today.. As of April 2021, all of Commencals EP8-equipped bikes have been specced with Shimano cranks, but this change has taken some time to filter through to consumers because of the time it takes for fully built bikes to get to the shop floor. Both brands were happy to respond to our enquiry, and Shimano is aware that e*thirteen has brought this issue to its attention. Improving performance on undulating terrain, Shimano has also increased the EP8s available torque at lower cadences. In terms of improvements, EP8 is marginally lighter (300g) and smaller in volume (10%) over the old E8000 motor. Come join the discussion about bike parts, components, deals, performance, modifications, classifieds, trails, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Yeah but who needs all that power? 214 It was one of the most fun bikes to ride. Limiting the maximum torque is something youll notice more at low cadences in high-load applications rather than general trail riding. Thus when I'm carrying a spare battery I can get up to 60 mile rides in, which e-bike or not, is still a hell of a day in the saddle. Appreciate the level of detail in this article, good work. Thanks to lightweight magnesium components, Shimano has shaved off a cool 200g of weight making it one of the lightest electric bike motors on the market today. Thanks! "Unquestionably, Shimano has the cleanest and sleekest display integration on the market". 20ft into my ride and the motor cut out. Weve found the first two settings to be too weak for e-MTB use, though conversely the highest setting can feel a little too peaky for some riders. Same with brose 2.1 & their motor failures. @tomdesoals: I don't quite get it though. the rattle it because the sprag bearing that used to be used in most motors has been replaced by DT swiss style star ratchet drive rings. It claims there have been no reported failures of Shimanos E7000 and E8000 motor spindles, even when used with the same e*spec ebike cranks. That is, spme pretension or a clutch like system. The three EP8 bikes weve tested all have sub-440mm rear centre lengths, which is quite a bit shorter than the 471.5mm rear centre on the Giant Trance X E+ with its much bulkier Yamaha motor, for example. So that would include rocks, hops, trackstands but also sudden boosts from a standstill. Overall very pleased with the bike and the motor. e*thirteen is at the table with bike brands to find a mutually acceptable solution that first takes care of keeping people on their bikes. What's your experience on this? Then we'll fix that for you. Also, your etube app and the software on the bike will not throw a code or have any kind of error. The brand told us it was aware of the spindle issue and has been in contact with both Shimano and e*thirteen about it. Funny that Shimano now budget e-bike motor builds? There is zero stickiness at the pedals that we could detect. First revealed to the world in September of last year, Shimano EP8 finally arrived on the e-MTB scene as the successor to the very popular Shimano E8000 motor. I rode an e bike and suffered a little bit yesterday. Since working for MBUK, Alexs focus has moved to bike tech. How stuff like this gets through what I would like to think was extensive testing I will never know. I've spent some time on this motor and it's one of the first to feel organic in the way it adjusts to the rider's pedaling. TSB 156 addresses a reported issue where the crank preload end cap can loosen and fall off, eventually causing the pedal cranks to become detached from the bottom-bracket spindle. The newly shaped buttons on the EM800-L switch unit provide a nice tactile perch for your thumb to quickly flick between those settings. Try to tackle crazy steep tech climbs. Its the Orbea Rise that achieves the most discreet integration however, with a frame that was purpose-built around the smaller EP8 motor, rather than having been retrofitted from a previous E8000 drive unit. A dynamo and regenerative braking is the ONLY thing stopping from buying an e-bike? Wed much rather see battery life displayed as a percentage, and the option to customise the screen. This allows bike companies to engineer a single frame, while offering cheaper models with a 504Wh battery, and high-end models with a 630Wh battery. It's kinda frustrating. Ebikes are great as a self shuttle, especially for time limited people. The Shimano EP8 user interface is similarly elegant in its design. However, we couldnt get the display to pair with our Wahoo ELMNT Roam head unit. Its worth noting that Bosch motor is only compatible with Bosch battery options though. - A little more overrun on technical climbs would be swell The charge bars are a major issues though on the 8000, after a bit of use the battery becomes extremely unpredictable. Its almost as if the battery drains faster in that final 20%. I have no personal experience riding with pedal assist but when I hear the high whiz from the motor I think that would drive me mad too. So why has no one made a motorized gearbox yet? You can display way more metrics on it too, and battery is usefully displayed as a percentage. Looks like Rocky(Dyname), Giant(Yamaha) and Specialized(Brose) are in for 2021 and Shimano and Bosch are out. A bike that weighs almost half as much as the rider. Along with the svelte carbon frame, that helps to reduce the total bike weight to as low as 16.2kg, creating a potentially worthy adversary to the Specialized Levo SL. At 52+ lbs, you're going to be using that motor every pedal stroke. Annoying rattle, did anyone say that to Shimano when they first introduced the freewheel? You can't call an e-bike rider lazy when they try to overtake you making this sound. When youre descending down the trail, the volume and resonance are amplified. A dinamo or recharging when braking or something That's what I'm still waiting for! Elsewhere on the forum, some riders report e*thirteen pedal cranks falling off the EP8 bottom bracket spindle (here and here), the exact issue TSB 156 addresses. I have the EP8 on a Commencal Meta Power. Did some rides on a scott e-genius 920(2020) and my biggest one I did was a 115 km with 2000 meters of ascent ,19 km average speed,all in the eco mode and riding some rocky terrain with some tarmac ,fire roads ,very mixed terrain ,and I did got impressed with the power and the range ,didnt got me so tired on the legs its most a cardio ,but dont put more power on them and no more battery capacity,cause it wil make them almost a dirt bike :-((. JavaScript is disabled. Are we ignoring the fact that motor has been recalled/reworked by Shimano, and pushing all new bike deliveries by two months (at least)? Assistance Start Here you can tweak how quickly the motor responds within the first pedal stroke. He was pretty happy about ANT compatibility. For a lighter pedal feel than the E8000, the one-way bearing has reduced its rotational resistance, creating a free play. What makes me sad is seeing young people hop on the e bike train so that they can go on a longer ride or so that someone who is new to cycling can keep up with their friends who have been riding for years, all to perpetuate needless consumerism and a gross waste of resources. Weve ridden the latest Bosch Performance CX Gen 4 motor on a variety of e-MTBs, including the Cube Stereo Hybrid 160 and the Trek Rail. Have had my Norco Range LVT with the EP8 for a week and have noticed the noise, maybe once? Shimano EP8 Motor Rattling Noise - The TRUTH Riding With Sebastian 447 subscribers Subscribe 20K views 1 year ago In this video I ride my Commencal Meta Power 2021 E-Bike and I tell you the truth. quieter(+) smaller(+) lighter(+) more power(-) battery range(=). All e-Bike assist mode gets disabled during the downhill slopes. A little more overrun from the EP8 motor, and even the option to tune that attribute via the E-Tube app, would be stupendous! With the new EP8, Shimano managed to close the gap to its biggest competitors. When the motor applies torque it pushes in one direction and closes the gap, when there is no torque the ring can rock a little. The brand was made aware of failures occurring when the EP8 motor is used with pedal cranks made by brands other than Shimano, including e*thirteens e*spec ebike-specific cranks. The thing is though, you do actually get used to that noise. What this article says to me is no wonder people make fun of mountain bikers. Simply enjoy what you are riding and watch the world, I should say, e-bike world, pass you by, as they are here to stay and while they are not perfect they are probably the best and most exciting thing to happen to the bike industry in 50 years! I find the author of this article is overly picky. I do not have a car. Not everyone has the time to grind for an hour up the climb. Sell it to me, bet ya cant specially at a respectable 90 keys. Oh man, so that must mean you know of rigs they've received that they've not done first rides and then field tests on. Those Merida ebikes ride quite good too. Shimano also claims this issue is entirely isolated to non-Shimano cranks, stating it is aware of 49 reported cases of spindle failure. My first thoughts are that the disengagement part of the motor that allows it to pedal freely after 20 has already broken. I haven't had the privelage to ride any bosch equiped bikes or other shimano bikes but this thing is so quiet I think it would be hard to find another ebike motor that is more silent. Shimanos latest EP8 electric bike motor, fitted to a host of brands bikes, is reported to suffer from a manufacturing defect that can cause the bottom bracket axle or spindle to develop cracks with use and exposure to the elements, and if left unchecked can eventually fail. For the type of riding and trails I do, battery power is not an issue, in fact would look at a smaller battery and weight savings on my next rig. Sources at numerous ebike suppliers have told Cycle Volta this week that releases of new EP8-equipped electric mountain bikes are being held up, on Shimano's direction. Bunny hops were absolutely a blast on this bike. Can someone make a bike with 50% - 100% assist? Don't take things too seriously just get out there and enjoy whatever you own and have FUN! It doesn't feel good. Just remember to manually unpair your phone from the bike before you start riding again, as the motor wont engage while the system is paired to the app. [The] topic has been closed from Shimano[s] side but e*thirteen is still investigating with independent labs.. Along with the new EP8 motor, Shimano has also released a larger 630Wh battery, which seems to be the most popular option at the moment youll find it inside both the Canyon Spectral:ON and Merida eOne-Sixty. 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