39% were found to . Our neighbor asked if I would come over and put it down. Look it up. When confronted by a threat.. you need to tick off a very short, well reasoned and practiced list. Unfortunately, an enraged bear will knock you down before your gun clears leather. Im not against revolvers. The authors well-worn, and well-loved Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt is a perfect handgun for bear country. and when was the last time you saw a wolves, let alone a bear.?????? Now before we take a look at particular models and calibers, lets get one basic premise out of the way: when the excrement hits the oscillator, any gun is better than no gun. Adult weight: Males range from 116-160 pounds and females, 75-110 pounds Brown bear commonsense options: A man accused of taking part in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot is now facing house arrest for killing a mountain lion in Colorado - with a gun he wasn't supposed to have.. Patrick Montgomery was . An interesting side note is that after a bear has been skinned and hung up, if you come upon the scene unexpectedly you would think that you are looking at a dead man. If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. I often have to carry elk quarters out in the Bitteroot mountans, which is heavy populated with wolves, grizzly, black bear, and moose, all of which I have had numerous too close for comfort encounters where Ive had to draw down. double action using 250gr. They have been conditioned to hear a gun and equate it to a free meal. What would be the minimum barrel length for any bear spanker? A neighbor, 1/2 mile away lost some pheasants to one. I purchased the gun from the nephew of an Alaskan Guide who had to kill several large browns with this same revolver. He was knocked down to the ground getting mauled fending off the black bear with his left arm while he drew and fired his semi-auto point blank into the bears throat with his right. You need to shoot a few of the +Ps every Spring to remember where they are hitting. State officials have issued a permit allowing a rancher to kill P-45, a mountain lion believed to be responsible for the recent killings of livestock near Malibu, Calif. (National Park Service via AP) Listed were all the big names but one very powerful handgun was not mentioned. Mountain lion study highlights. Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. So the point is simple; a wonderful collection of pistols at home wont do you any good, youll have to make do with what you have, Like the Boy Scout motto says, Be Prepared. I hope that you had a good camera and a long lens to shoot it. Carry a 5 S&W 500 loaded with 700 gr hardcast from Ballistic Supply. The species are abundant in the state, numbering around 4,000 to 6,000 estimated creatures. Mountain Lions have been known to take out horses, cattle, sheep . I still carry that early 41 mag in bear country but just recently bought an early M-58 and am going to carry it as it is easier to draw with no adj sights. If you choose a 9mm in bear country, you dont want hollow points but maybe something like Lehigh Defense Extreme Penetratorwith its solid copper bullet. If the Hellsing 454 Casull is ever made (semi- auto), I want one. I believe that model Ruger is single action, right? Most of the time if all you are trying to do is keep the bears from attacking you, wear bells on your clothing as the old timers did. Shot 3 whitetail doe in the noodle with that rifle, and it wasn,t graphic. A farmer living in Lower Lake, in Lake County, noticed the dead lambs last week and notified the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. 44 mag or most any other caliber in those ranges if the person using it knows how to shoot. In fact, a shot from a .357 caliber revolver or a shotgun at close range is more likely to kill a mountain lion than an accidental discharge . After all that I have come to some conclusions about killing things with a handgun. .357, .44 mag, 10mm. Found the bullet in the other ear, Weighed 270 grains. Curiosity got the better of them, and they managed to discharge the canisters in their hotel room that night. Note on BLACK BEARS they have become highly predatory in Alaska. My 10mm load is right at 700. You can also use a hunting rifle or pistol to fire at the lion if it makes a charge at you. Those pesky day to day perils of life keep getting in the way. He is a hard-core gun guy and he agrees with me on cartridges, guns and bullets. My handloads push a 200gr hardcast bullet to just under 1300fps. BTW seems like shooting an elk here is like ringing a dinner bell for the grizzlies. Carry the biggest freaking Gun you can shoot very very well ! A single bite around the throat from a mountain lion can be fatal to prey . And this is why Glock 29s and Smith & Wesson 329s exist. Defensive purse swinging! The FORGOTTEN GUN (but one of the best Alaska Bear Guns) is the Ruger .480 7.5 OR 10. That said, I wish someone would come up with a good ballistic gel/trauma plate simulated bear and test out everything from .22 LR to all the Dirty Harry stuff, .44 Mag and up. Penetration tests have shown that load to penetrate almost exactly the same distance as a standard hardcast 44 Magnum load. Between airlines, public transportation, hotels, ferryboats, etc. in he he stated that no matter how big of a rifle one has in their hands, when facing something that is fully willing and capable of stomping you into a frothy little puddle of blood and hair, no matter what youve got, its still going to feel like a willow switch. For the outdoors person a revolver can likewise If one comes onto my property, its dead, otherwise Ill leave them alone, unless of course in self defense. You should first attempt to fire a warning shot to scare off the lion before it attacks. They were highly experienced survivalists. All shots were heart lung ,,,edit,, All shots were attempted heart lung. All cats are rats. National Park Service, via AP, FILE. This bit of firsthand experience has made me change my point of view in favor of wheel guns and the calibers they favor. I heard that some hikers on Mt. (I have killed or watched others kill several with an ax when I was guiding. His dad stopped a charging brown with a .500 S&W pistol a few years ago. Works good for road rage as well. An interesting piece giving advice from expert typewriter shooters to bear hunters. No HPs! It seems to be a matter of carrying largest caliber you can for the situation, with the proviso that you be able to deliver sufficient rounds on target. Leave bear territory, do a quick mag switch and your back to the right rounds for CCW. 50 round box should last a lifetime. Needless to say, the culprits were evicted, the wing was evacuated and the room needed to be completely gutted and refinished. At the range, 3 or 4 factory rounds and Ive had enough. Not a chance will I ever take those with me here in Alaska, other than around town where bear issues are far more unlikely. I was helping a friend butcher a hog he had raised. Shoot, shovel, and shut up. The young boy said he could not feel the teeth because they were dull, but Paul did feel the scratches from the big paw. death by wild beast is now becoming more common. .38 special have been a huge disappointment for me. A California man has been sentenced to 30 days in jail and other penalties for the killing of a protected mountain lion over the summer. News California Dogs Wildlife Pit Bull. Think youre gonna penetrate his skull with your pea shooter? So if its a two shot scenario with a revolver, I can place 4 AIMED shots with my 10mm in the same amount of time. Wolfe played for the Broncos from 2012-19 and the Ravens in 2020. Radically Invasive Projectile G2 ammo works! Which brings up the old but true adage. For College Campuses! Even with the hottest 460 I find the revolver to be controllable. took advantage of this for their hike the following day. What about a Judge or Governor, that can shoot .45 Long Colt or .410 shotgun shells? Year later, shot a black bear same ammo, but out of a desert eagle way better results. Then when we were at Cabelas, I compared the photo on my phone to all the cougar mounts and none came anywhere close. My wife carries an old Model 60. You could get pretty close to a semi-auto .454 Casull if you had a .440 Cor-Bon Desert Eagle. My resulting theory is that if you see the bear/cougar, draw your gun and do your best to avoid the encounter. Good article. A 629 classic 44 Mag. While mountain lion attacks are rare, it is because mountain lions are not common, and interactions between mountain lions and humans are uncommon. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. lever action 44 mag) . They did better than most 9mm and only slightly less than a 357. Mine rides in a Diamond D Guides Choice model. 400g hornady JHP on a 300lb hog shot from front, while laying prone, went through the shoulder, traveled full length of body and exited hind-quarter over 2.5 feet of thick, dense, penetration. FL). While not nearly as large as a puma, Ive shot three rabid racoons around here. Considering all the crap I have received from all the internet commandos and bear experts for foolishly using only a 9mm I am glad I was not carrying my Tokarev! 1988 a Montana Fish and Game Officer utilized same handgun to dispatch a Grizzly 44 mag is a minimum and it would have to be a DA version. But again, as the species is protected, they were unable to carry out efforts to catch it. . I have seen that cartridge fail horribly on black bears and hogs. The 357-magnum case is just a bigger capacity shell able to provide much better performance. Crossdraw holster. The only explanation that I can think of is that it was pumped full of adrenaline. I would wantShortFast out of the holster.and powerful. In this case, the mountain lion was found to have rabies. Big bears do not get big being stupid around people. The .38 Special is the revolver equivalent of the 9X19 semiauto pistol round, which is, after all, only three years newer a development. He told the cameraman Ive killed bears with this gun. The problem is the gun. Great point with the Redhawk recommendation! I always heard all you need is a .25 auto. Or even a simple GLOCK 10mm like the A.H.P. Almost no one practices with bear spray and almost no one can get their can to bear (pun intended) and spray within 4-5 seconds. I have three loads that I shot, 200 gr. Can some of the huge pistols work? vintage Smith and Wesson Model 66 is a classic beautiful handgun with pinned barrel, Between 3- and 3.5-inch-wide tracks. Laying out the reasonable course of events leading up to a legitimate use of force against Bears (or Lion) would make it more difficult to prosecute (IMO for political / ideological reasons) citizens who defend themselves against bear (or lion) attacks. Mace or a .45 Colt? They eventually had to replace them with the Makarov series because of over-penetration. Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. I dont shoot them well enough, fast enough to satisfy me, 2. thanks again from a Liberal Gun Toting Okie! When I fleshed the bear skull I filled a 5 gallon bucket with muscle meat from the skull. Penetration and shot placement are king. Remember you can be turned into bear shit with in two days if you are wrong! I am from Houston, TX. Go to any gunshop youll find plenty of all those calibers for sale, used with very low round counts, wonder why? Automatic option for black bear other than a10mm that youll never carry any other time. Not only is a 45 Colt that is hand loaded right there with the 44 magnum, or even out performing the 44 magnum. .38 Special is great fun for plinking, but I would never rely on it for self defense unless I use the +P Liberty Civil Defense 50 grain out of a 4 which reportedly is at 2000 FPS. With those animals ranging from 30 pounds to 1200 pounds, there is no single optimum caliber/bullet combination. Just as with dangerous game rifles, using a cartridge that is too big to allow for proper shot placement isnt a wise idea; shot placement is everything. The result was a dead dog with one of the bears and almost a dead friend with one of the hogs. The animal became a little wobbly and went to a tree then moved toward Paul again and it was shot a second time. 8gr 800-X will put some lead into anyones pencil. Jul 30, 2019. These people were lucky they didnt get rabies. Stay safe in mountain lion country Do not hike, bike or jog alone. Get as informed as you can, and make the best choice you can. on this subject is this: self defense/house protection/concealed carry is only half Unlike grizzlies, black bears seem to be much less predictable and do not give as many signals huffing, grunting, ears back, etc. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This is all interesting to a curious 75 yo ..better for me to stay out of bear country. Plenty of good options in DA revolvers tried and true .44 mag, .454 casull, .460 S&W, etc. We live in a world that has an exploding human population and dangerous animals are always the losers. A brown bears a Swiss mil-spec mugger, with built-in armor all over, especially around the brain. Big hand guns buck like a mule, and even though adrenaline is flowing, that big gun will jump and you will have to push hard for that second shot, The .460 Roland doesnt rise as much as the .45 Colt. Phil, I cant locate that corner; theres a ******bear down there! Now, as surveyors, we carry machetes to cut the brush in between our survey stations, and we are rather proficient with them. Ive racoons hunted quite a bit and upon shooting healthy racoons they either crash dead or make as fleet of an escape as the wounds will allow. When I asked him for his thoughts on carry guns for bear country, Phil related the following: Phil, I have always said that carrying any handgun for bear protection is similar to wearing a life jacket in a boat, or parachute in a plane. Government paid hunters were also paid to do the same. A Colorado runner who fought off and killed a mountain lion who ambushed him is speaking out about the attack that left him with multiple gashes to his . Oct. 14, 2020 6:15 PM PT. ( nothin) lol. COME AND GET IT! Shot placement . would have been just as well dead anyway. Hopefully, this link will work. I read an article recently that said you are statistically more likely to survive a bear attack using mace rather than a sidearm. I have never had a chance to stop a bear yet buy was close to one in Yellow Stone park a few years ago when the bear came CCIs classic .38 Special shot or snake a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. delivered him from a mortal fate. I can say the 41 is probably my minimum for the big bears. There is an interesting compilation of mountain lion incidents and attacks titled: Cougar Attacks & Other Incidents -2000 to date. Mountain lions killed 15 dogs in 30 days near a Colorado town. A lion's natural life span is probably about 12 years in the wild and up to 25 years in captivity. We killed about 5 hogs every week he shot them with 22 never saw any that didnt fall over dead. And ditto even for herbivorous who often destroy and damage crops. During the same period, persons defending themselves with pepper spray escaped injury most of the time, and those that were injured experienced shorter duration attacks and less severe injuries. While being careful not to say Bear Spray is the Cats meow.. (something to do with not wanting to have their pants sued off by someone who follows their articles advice and whose relatives sue? If not, always nice to have to many guns.. After wearing out a few S&W frames in 44mag, I switched to the short barreled Ruger Alaskan in 44mag. Rain, Wind, Snow all those things can and will reduce the effectiveness of Bear Spray much more than they would affect the employment of a firearm. That winter, I shot a buffalo @ 50 yards with 300 grain federal cast core in a ruger .44 carbine. The next stage of the disease results in paralysis. A grizzly bear is a formidable foe, having no issue whatsoever proving its dominance over human beings. Black bear common senseoptions: All good options. Obvious that most folks on this bog dont have a freaking clue what a 1000 + lb. In this case, fortunately, the uncle had time to retrieve the handgun from a vehicle. My second firearm of choice because it works for two legged predator as well is my Springfield XDM 460 Rowland. Lesson learned never keep food for bears in your camp site. With speed loaders in the hands of a competent shooter, the revolver can be reloaded almost as quickly as a pistol. You can keep your semi-autos and single action revolvers. Not totally true. Somewhere in my Paper Archives I have the Professors commentary and a stages of a Bear attack and at what point in his own words .. it is time to Shoot the Bear. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. There was a Professor who during the 50s and 60s working with the US Forrest Service..spent a great deal of time studying bears and bear attacks. Nope, no way. had the game warden not had his .357 Magnum holstered on his person the Grizzly There were teams of men racing across Alaska. Did they field dress and later skin it ? Numerous attacks this summer, to include at least two confirmed deaths. NEDERLAND A mountain lion killed after it attacked two dogs in a neighborhood near Nederland on Dec. 27 had no dog remains in its gut when it died, according to a Colorado Parks and Wildlife necropsy report. In Alaska, meat is often removed from a kill site via a frame pack and two strong legs, and all that blood creates a scent trail like a flashing All-you-can-eat buffet advertisement. I sure wanted to sit and talk to him about all the storys they brought back. I took my Colt .45 with a 7 barrel over, to do what needed to be done. We now have on earth more humans than were ever born since the beginning of mans evolution and with the masses of excess pollution we have already destroyed the planet we are living on. A good read but I dont really see the top handguns to carry. And I do practice dry fire and shoot whatever is the cheapest ammo I can find around time. Exactly. I mixed opinions about this article. .357 magnum will probably work as long as you're not running into any bears .44 magnum is preferable. Lion hides or heads without seals become state property. To purchase a sidearm for bear country on GunsAmerica, click here. The Hornady Critical Defense .410 loads (slug + 2x .35 cal balls) are rated at 750 feet per second. Any thoughts on this combo for bear country? For small game, a 38 Spcl. Can you show any proof that we are destroying anything? Usually blacktail deer. . More than half of those were fawns. Not only does it take time to shoot, but it's also not enough to stop a cougar from coming at you. A large-bore firearm, with tons of practice in real-world scenarios, and to hell with insane local laws that prohibit mags > 15 rounds. thank you kindly for sharing your extensive knowlege and guidance.I would be interested in your opinion of Underwood extreme penetrator cartridge 44 mag or 45 lc as to changing the attitude of a not well intentioned any bear . That said, the 4-3-1 is a simple and effective rule of thumb. You would have had until between the 8 and the 6 to be unloading a gun into it , and still possibly wind up injured ! , .357 mag. I am playing with a m69 Smith and Wesson 44 mag. The 454 would probably be better and I did have a 500 S&W in 4 inch but as heavy as it was I figured it was easier to carry a 12 ga pump on a sling and let someone carry out the meat while I protected them. However, if you're going to deploy bear spray against a mountain lion, then you need to make sure of a few things. On average, a mountain lion killed one deer a week. 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